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Newsvine Q&A: Chuck Todd on U.S. Politics

The following is a summary of the Questions and Answers, pulled from the Newsvine comment thread below:

Chuck,

Just one question, why has MSNBC invested so much time and energy to Mr. B. H. Obama?

-jade-log

This thread has certainly been all over map... We've given lots of attention to both nominees. As for the question about the so-called Bradley effect; don't believe the hype... Obama's not over-polling... "undecided" might be over-polling but not Obama. I do think there are some folks sitting in undecided who have no plans to vote for Obama but maybe just can't bring themselves to say they are for McCain yet. or maybe they'll end up with Nader or Barr. But the days of folks lying to pollsters are SUPPORTING a black candidate are over. Harold Ford's candidacy showed us that.

Are McCain's negative "celebrity" adds indicative of a candidate who believes he is further behind that the polls seem to indicate? Or just politics as usual?

-Ian Walter

Voters always say negative ads don't work and yet, there's plenty of evidence that voters learn more information from negative ads than from positive ads. That's been the best measuring stick I've seen. Do a focus group of a slew of ads, some negative and some positive and then find out from the group, who learned what from the ads. You'll see that the negative ads are the ones that stick out. That said, I think McCain does run a risk of coming across TOO pessimistic; it's been a while since we elected the more pessimistic presidential candidate.

Ridge v. Biden would be an interesting debate; I'd probably give knowledge points to Biden but likeability points to Ridge; Both would do a good job appealing to working class whites, the potential swing voting group of this election.

Chuck - Based on your observations of the political scene, it seems that once again the indications are that people vote based on 'emotions' and not 'issues'.

If this is the case, do negative ads have a bigger impact on some demographics than others? Does it partially explain why negative ads seem to have an even higher influence on 'working class white' voters who feel besieged by economic conditions and are more sensitive to any criticism of military action which is the one area that offers them opportunity?

-greengal
Sooo, if Obama did go with Biden as a VP, what do you think would be a serious negative? (no difference in who is picked for the republican VP).
Better question: Who would be best from the Republicans VP to go against Joe Biden? Lieberman? Young scholar like Jindal?

-smheart78

If I were McCain and wanting to pick a nominee to specifically debate Biden, I might pick Pawlenty. I think it's better to let Biden talk himself in circles. Pawlenty could play the aw-shucks card. Ridge could do well against him too. Lieberman and Romney would be eaten alive by Biden.

Hi Chuck,

I was wondering what you think on the narrative of the presidential race so far. All I keep hearing about is everything Obama cant do, and all the stuff he has to do better. Well, I thought Obama was leading in most polls. He is a newcomer to the scene and is less known, but he is still winning right now. Shouldn't the question be what McCain should be doing, and what he has to improve on? He is the better known candidate and pretty much never cracks 44% in any of the polls. His ceiling to me seems much lower, therefore he should be the one that has all of these problems to fix, not Obama. What do you think Chuck?

-tatro

I think more is expected of Obama. It just is what it is.

McCain was sort of the only candidate that they could support being that people are pretty much sick of the Republican Party right now because of the Bushies. McCain was the most centrist out of that camp, and therefore, probably the most electable against the Dems.

So, McCain was more of a default candidate, while Obama was one of hope and change and inspiration and all those other words his campaign and supporters claim.

-_jen_

_jen— gave a pretty good answer. I think the fact is voters THINK they know less about Obama than they do McCain; that might not be the truth but it's the perception voters themselves believe and that's tough to change. I think there will be more focus on McCain as the campaign gets going in the fall but ultimately this is going to continue to be a referendum on Obama's ability to be president.

One more question for ya Chuck. What do you make of the republicans for Obama, that just came out today. Do you think this will have any lasting influence on the race. Maybe it would give cover to some other republicans to jump the fence, or just give them a little assurance that the waters fine and Obama isn't the anti-crist, that McCain is trying to portray him as.

-tatro

None of the Republicans that were released are seen as major players... Frankly, I think Lieberman for McCain (if he ends up the VP for McCain) will be seen as a bigger party-switcher than Leach/Chafee etc. Obama needs a big player like Powell or Hagel.

Hello Chuck,

Do you have any insights into why the McCain campaign hasn't done any TV advertising in local Florida markets? What are the campaigns' feelings about how Florida currently stands? I know that most polls are not properly executed, but the public polls show McCain and Obama in a dead heat for that state's electoral votes.

-mjs6288

McCain camp believes its most persuadable voters in FL are snow-birds and aren't around in the summer. Simple as that...

Chuck

I'm obviously a Biden guy(don't know how he could pick anyone else...2 senators or not...seems he is a better "leader" than any of the "executives")...was a Hillary guy...an old Mccain/Biden guy in 2004... then settled on Obama when he came to NH and I saw ALL of the candidates (on both sides ) speak...a number of times for work and self. on this note...

My question ...
Has anyone counted the times that Biden has appeared on Meet the Press, Nightly News, This Week, Face the Nation, Charlie Rose, AC 360, Hardball....been interviewed by national Newspapers, spoken on a nationally broadcast event or panel or board...

and then taken his 6 gaffes or so and averaged them compared to other candidates.

I would really like to see the numbers on this "gaffe machine".

(the rest of this is just thoughts on this feel free to skip my blather...)

Considering he is the guy putting out the fight from the dem side all the time (full of himself or not he puts up the fight for the past 7 years from the dems more than anyone)...

does it not seem like his average on gaffes when taken into consideration with the amount of times he speaks (fights for issues)... make most of them including Hillary and Obama and Mccain look like "gaffe machines."

and don't you think a Bayh or Sebelius or Kaine will have to start speaking up like Biden if they get the nod... and what happens when a non attack dog has to become an attack dog...gaffes.

and whose gaffes do you think will control a longer round of newscycles...Biden (the old guy who "stuck his foot in his mouth" like mccain where we know the guy so well...we know he gets by it and usually doesn't mean the bad part of his slip)

or the people who we don't know.

Just questions and wonder your thoughts as usual.

and by the way...I think McCain may still pick Ridge....but Pawlenty will be off the table if Obama picks Biden.

-dlwillson

Well, I think Biden is the frontrunner; I think the point made at the top about gaffes as a percentage of public chatter is an interesting study.... but politics doesn't work that way even if your metric is a fair one... Just ask Billy Beane... he keeps buying into all sorts of new baseball metrics and yet, what does the press report.

Still, for all the reasons stated above, Biden's a serious frontrunner for the VP slot...

OK one last question for ya Chuck.

I wanted to know what the deal was with Pennsylvania. On NBC's map you guys still have Pennsylvania in the toss up column. Every poll I have seen out of Pennsylvania has Obama up anywhere from 7%-11%. So, I was curious how this state isn't considered at least lean Obama?

-tatro

There are states which in August are tossups (like PA) that if by late Oct. are still in the same poll range, move to lean... PA is definitely on the bubble between toss-up and lean Obama right now...

Chuck my question doesn't relate to polling since at this stage of the campaign it probably doesn't mean much. No, my question goes to why MSNBC suddenly found the John Edwards story "newsworthy" after I believe you said that it wasn't in that category or at least was not until last Friday afternoon.

-Bill Harrison

This is quite the debate... Edwards as a story is a debate we've been having internally. He put his family front and center as one of the reasons to support him so on that score, he deserves to be outed as a hypocrite. On the other hand; he's currently a private citizen and has no role in governing anybody right now.

Chuck:

In case you're stuck in the Beltway echochamber and don't get it: McCain LOST ground this weekj shooting his mouth off about Russia, More people are more pissed off about McCain's bellicosity than they are about Putin starting a war in a country they don't know about or care about.

Comment?

-jfxgillis

I think McCain wanted to issue a more aggressive statement against Russia but Bush's response prevented him from doing that; The guy who seems to be the person who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut in all this, is the president of Georgia. He seems to be putting the U.S. and Russia both in boxes.

Why hasn't the media reported the Aug 5, 2008 report from the CFTC about the amount of Oil speculation on NYMEX or Sen. Maria Cantwell's letter to the CFTC on Aug 8th? The latest information provides a different view for why oil prices have fallen during the last few weeks. Strongly indicating speculation

More information on Sen. Cantwell's website

"Robert McCullough of McCullough Research, an energy market expert who exposed Enron's market manipulation, has released a new statistical analysis research report of oil futures and spot market prices that is a convincing and substantive rebuttal to the interagency interim report. This report shows that the dramatic rise in oil prices in June 2008, and the subsequent fall in price in July 2008, can't be explained by any of the fundamentals of supply and demand. Instead, it could be a result of the trading strategies of major market players."

Financial Week

UPDATE 1 Big CFTC data revision raises oil traders eyebrows - Reuters Aug 5, 2008

-Stan-338585

I am VERY surprised there wasn't more focus in Congress on the speculation factor with oil prices. It seemed like a no-brainer issue for the Dem Congress and yet they didn't make a big deal out of it. Instead, they let themselves get cornered on the drilling issue. Big mistake in hindsight.

Why doesn't MSNBC focus on the lies in every one of McCain's attack ads? Last night one of Dan Abram's guest wanted to talk about it, but Dan wanted to focus on whether the ads were funny.

The "facts" about tax plans are extremely important issues for voters. Many are believing McCain's lies, which he repeats in every Town Hall Meeting.

Fact Check details the McCain lies about Obama's tax plan.

More Tax Deceptions August 8, 2008
Updated: August 12, 2008

McCain misrepresents Obama's tax proposals again. And again, and again. McCain has been twisting tax facts about Obama as far back as June 10 ... These ads continue his long-running pattern of deception on taxes.

-Stan-338585

Most TV ads have lots of versions of the truth in this portion of the campaign, not just on the presidential level but on the senate and house levels as well. That said, I'd like us to spend more time each day doing TV ad fact-checking. We'll be doing more as the campaign wears on... (BTW, I hope folks are keeping track of all my coverage promises I've been making on these chats...)

I believe it is imperative for the media to educate the citizenry about the issues and the candidates. I also think our two-party system has and continues to fail us due to corporate influence and lobbyists, yet no one seems to believe in the possibility of a third-party candidate.

What plans do you have to cover or give exposure to third-party candidates for president?

-Aine MacDermot

I think Obama, Ron Paul and McCain have proven that it doesn't take a lot of money or a lot of insider support to raise awareness and money for their campaigns. So if Nader and Barr can't figure out how to run an effective enough campaign to create a groundswell to the point where we in the so-called MSM have to spend more time covering them, then they don't deserve to be covered.

Now, as for whether there ever will be a viable third party, my gut is no. I think a very wealthy businessman could create a temporary vehicle for a third-party (see Perot, Bloomberg etc.) but our system of elections in all 50 states is designed around a 2-party system. I think if a viable third party ever arose, it would either be consumed by one of the two major parties or the third party would replace one of the current two partys (a la Republicans and Whigs).

Chuck: who stands to benefit more from the Russia-Georgia conflict, McCain or Obama? Why?

-Richard Friedman-125619

Such a simple question and yet...

Well, I think on points, it benefits McCain because he's been crying foul about Putin for some time. He was calling for the booting of Putin and Russia from the G8 months ago... Now, it looks like it would have been the right call. But I think Obama didn't get hurt, per se, by this crisis. If anything, McCain's rhetoric has started to be toned down to something closer to what Obama said from the get-go. There's a chance this issue turns against McCain in that he seems to be too cozy with this Georgia president who strikes me as potentially a loose cannon. The guy seems more interested in appearing on TV than he does in getting his country through this crisis.

BTW, I think Putin did do one thing for Obama: eliminate Kaine and Sebelius from VP contention.

Chuck! I wasn't going to ask about Hillary Clinton since her campaign is over, but she apparently forgot to tell her former staffers that. Don't you think Howard Wolfson's comments this week about Hillary virtually being guaranteed a win in Iowa if Edwards wasn't in the race are completely out of line?

First of all, polls consistently show that Edwards supporters flocked to Obama after he dropped out (including myself and every Edwards supporter I've talked to.) Although Hillary herself has been very outspoken in her support of Obama, her surrogates and even Bill Clinton have given at best luke warm endorsements of their fellow Democrat. How completely stupid do you have to be to rain on the parade of a political party that has had VERY little to smile about during the last eight years? Does Wolfson really want to be that guy?

This whole thing is completely transparent. The Clinton campaign is bitter, bitter, bitter. I know they haven't had much experience with losing, but really, they should be better at it than this. In my opinion, they need quit whining before the Clinton brand is irreparably tarnished. What do you think?

It's so cool that you do this for us. I really feel in the loop. Thanks again. Taylor

-PeytonTaylor

Here's my favorite way to answer "what if" questions in politics. What if my aunt had a *&^*, she'd be my uncle.

Bottom line: campaigns can always be war-gamed in hindsight. I think there's a better chance that if Edwards had been a non-factor in Iowa, Obama would have rolled to a bigger victory in Iowa and would have run the January table. By Nov. 1, 2007, he would have had just about every major union on his side as well as all that money etc... it could have been worse for Clinton had Edwards not split the early anti-Hillary vote in those early states.

Do you think Arizona might actually be a little closer than some people think? There is a large population of Hispanics there, and they are going for Obama right now 65%-35%.

-tatro

I completely believe Arizona will be a high single digit state... 54-46 maybe... It's simple demographics combined with the fact that McCain's popularity in the state has been SLOWLY eroding... Not enough for Obama to put the state in play... but enough for the next Democrat to run against a Republican NOT from Arizona to put the state in play.

I am wondering what is going on with the rest of the Republicans? Has their dissent from McCain been quashed? I keep waiting to hear of a sign of mutiny. [Even the Dems even had rumors about Hillary submitting her name at the convention.]

-Leah M

I think Republicans are resigned to the fact that it's going to be a bad year; It's not a nomination many believe is worth having; I disagree; I think nominations are ALWAYS worth having.

Chuck:

What will be the impact of Senator McWiki's plagiarism? Even those of us on the 'Vine refuse (generally) to use Wikipedia as a source, given its vast amount of misinformation. In that light, will it be particularly damaging for the "foreign policy" candidate to rely so heavily upon it in his Georgia/Russia speech? And, will the campaign have to back off their attacks on Obama for not adequately addressing the situation, given that their address was no more informed than any third-grader with a computer could find (and post) on Wikipedia?

Thanks, Chuck!

-Gene in Mass

I thought this story was a bit unfair... Some facts looked similar to an online reference site? Look, I have my issues with Wikipedia; I think the whole premise of the tool will mean we'll have C- information... that said, what the campaign MAY have copied was some factual information; McCain didn't copy his position on Georgia from Wikipedia.

Chuck: What do you make of the political gridlock going on in Washington? Do you feel that the Senate and Congress realise that the American public has had just about enough of their buffoonery?
The Dems are no better than the GOP, time for a third party?

-Luther28

I think we'll find out in the first six months of the new administration. If substantial legislation isn't passed in the first six months of '09 then both parties could find themselves in big trouble.

From yesterday's 'Motorcycle' First Read article. "Hard to tell the truthfulness."

Previous article titles:

Ohio Ad: Is it Fair?
Is the Exxon-McCain Hit Fair?

Come on, Domenico's just a little biased, right? It took the rest of us two seconds to find the quotes and votes associated with the motorcycle ad. His title is 'Political Researcher', right? Also, we never see a headline in First Read that asks if the hits on Obama are fair until FactCheck dispels the myths. We got two McCain 'is it fair' in two days. I guess my question is, yes, is Domenico right leaning?

But as the Center for Responsive Politics pointed out last week, while McCain has received nearly three times the amount of money from the oil and gas industry that Obama has, Obama actually has received more contributions from Exxon than his GOP rival has.

Don't you guys have the responsibility to qualify this remark as employees of Exxon? I mean any person that donates to a campaign has to list their employer. I would hardly say that my contributions to Obama can in any way be attributed to an endorsement by Warren Buffett. I know you had broken it down in a previous post, but to make a blanket statement like that deserves at least some qualification.

That being said, First Read is the best of the major news tickers.

-Rodney Hopper

Domenico is one of the toughest fact-checkers I've ever worked with; I think if you judge his work over time, you'll see that....

We have a blast with First Read and we really only get it done with just a few of us; the good news is that we'll adding a new face very soon.

Abraham Lincoln had only one term as a House of Rep member before being elected president. Why isn't that fact presented more when Obama's lack of experience is brought up?

-olderisbetter

That fact is brought up a lot. And there's no comparison Obama loves more than good 'ol Abe

Recently, McCain joked that if he was elected, the first thing he would do is call Tom Ridge from his "well-deserved vacation". Many took this to mean that McCain was not going to pick Ridge as his VP. What say you? You've been saying Ridge as a potential for a long time.

-Andrew (aka Online Apps)

And then the VERY next day, he does an interview with the Weekly Standard making the case for Ridge as VP... go figure.

I think, though, that if McCain goes pro-choice, he'll go Lieberman.

I wanted to bring something to your attention regarding satellite channel lineups.

Currently, the Dish Network 'Family' package has 'Fox News' and 'Headline News', but no MSNBC or CNBC. The Family package is the lowest package a person can get ($19.95/mo).

I'd gladly trade in both Fox and Headline for MSNBC, or even CNBC for that matter. We had MSNBC and CNBC as 'free previews' these past few months and I have to say, it's nice to watch a political show and not yell at the screen.

Do you know why the NBC news stations are the only cable news outlets not on this package and what can we do as subscribers to get a real cable news network on our TV's, besides upgrading 2 levels?

-Rodney Hopper

MSNBC's new president, Phil Griffin, is on a mission to improve MSNBC's cable and satellite carriage; It's a shame how badly our channel is treated by Comcast and a few others. MSNBC's ratings are remarkable when you consider how poor our carriage is right now. But it gets better all the time and we have folks on the case.

Does Rick Noriega have a shot against John Cornyn? Latest polls are showing John with only a ten point spread and attracting less than 50%. He also had that abysmal Big John ad.

What about Ronnie Musgrove and Roger Wicker?
This is a close race thus far, but still in a reliably red Mississippi.

-Rodney Hopper

If Texas were a cheaper state, I'd say Cornyn would be in some trouble... His job rating and personal poll numbers are very mediocre; but the state is just too big and too expensive for Democrats to sink a bunch of money in the state. Noriega has an interesting background (and he tries to pitch himself as another Jim Webb just without the resume...) Texas is a future swing state; my guess is by 2016, the two parties will be on par but for now, this is Cornyn's race to lose and he'd have to make multiple BIG JOHN ads to blow this one at this point.

As for Miss. Senate; that's a pure toss-up race; close to the end.

Do you think this 'attack the Obama supporters' campaign is going to work for McCain?

Is there a precedent for this? Has a modern candidate ever berated the electorate this way?

-Rodney Hopper

I think this is bait by McCain; I think he's daring Obama to attempt to attack detractors. See if they can bait Obama into acting in a condescending way toward McCain and his supporters.

I know I'm inundating you with questions here, but I think what you're doing with these Q&A's is great. I'll leave you with four more quick ones until next week:

How often do the NBC/WSJ polls come out and when will the next one be released?

Did you sign up to get your Obama VP text message?

Do you think McCain really thinks that Obama has 'Dreamy Eyes'?

You vs Olbermann in a boxing match. Who wins?

-Rodney Hopper

On average, there's a new NBC-WSJ poll every five weeks... our next one comes out next Wednesday. We're also doing a special post-convention poll that will come out the week of Sept. 8.

Of course I signed up; i don't know a member of the media who did not.

I think McCain's more intrigued by Obama's ears.

Keith knows better than to challenge me in a boxing match; I'm just too quick... he's got a height advantage, but I'm quick.

Hey Chuck You might not get to my question but I'll ask it anyway. Why hasn't the media commented on McCain acting like he's already the president when he was talking about the Russia/Georgia conflict. Obama got all type of coverage about acting to presidential in Berlin. I just think they should both be held to the same standards.

Also everyone keeps saying people don't know Obama. Well if they don't know him by now how are they gonna get to know. If he's the celebrity everyone says he is they should know him. People need to do research for themselves on the candidates.

-Rhonda-303565

A question about McCain and Georgia turned into bashing us on not covering McCain enough... You guys are good. Look, I think when all is said and done about this campaign, you'll view our coverage as very fair and even-handed on the promoting and the bashing.

Hey Chuck - sorry about the slow news week with Obama in Hawaii! LOL

Just a few questions: 1)You mentioned on FR about Lieberman being McCain's attack dog. Who, if anyone, is playing that role for Obama and are they being effective?

2)On the McCain-Reed fundraiser, do you think the Obama camp, or Dems in general, are going to play up the hypocrisy of this event and do you think McCain will find a way to "cancel"?

3)70's disco or 80's glam rock?

-MI, Rochester NY

I'm not sure Obama's found a credible attack dog as good as Lieberman right now; both McCaskill and Kerry are pretty good for Obama but Biden, as the running mate, might be the best attack dog Obama can find.

As for the Ralph Reed fundraiser, I am betting Reed doesn't end up showing up. I think McCain's nat'l HQs didn't know what their Georgia leadership team was up to.

On the last question: it really depends on the mood. Both are guilty pleasures. Whenever a top 100 of anything pops up on VH1 classic and it is either '70s or '80s, I'm all over it. The best bad glam rock love ballads cost me 20 bucks on Itunes.

What does the GOP need to win a statewide election in NJ (my state)? Mostly, we've run liberal/moderate guys (Dick Zimmer, Doug Forrester, etc). It shouldn't be this hard, since Corzine is immensely unpopular and Lautenberg just hit over 50% for the first time since Labor Day.

-Andrew (aka Online Apps)

Ah... New Jersey, the state I like to refer to as the Republican Party's great white whale.

The thing I would NOT do if I were the GOP is poll before Oct. 15 in the state. It's such a hard state to poll and voters don't seem to tune in until very late in the process. And when they tune in, they end up moving en masse to the Democrats. So I'm wondering if the state simply misleads Republicans into thinking the state's in play in August and September and then once voters are educated about the party I.D.s of the candidates, the Democrat picks up the lion's share of the undecided vote.

Think about the success Republicans have had in the state; Christie Whitman never crossed 50% in her wins... I think that tells you a lot about the uphill battle the GOP has in this state. I continue to be amazed at the success some, shall we say, flawed Democrats who end up having in the state.

I realize Clinton's campaign was a mess while she was saying she was ready to lead, but in general, can we assume how candidates run their campaigns is a true indicator of how they would run the presidency? Has anyone ever been lousy at being boss of their campaign team but was then a good president? (or they didn't get that far due to said lousiness?)

Conversely, have winning candidates who in their campaigns showed great organizational skills, decisiveness, etc. actually brought those skills to the office?

***Also, last week you said to ask you again about whether MSNBC will be streaming convention coverage. Thanks.

-Lenore K.

Look, overall, I do think we learn a lot about a potential president from how they run their campaigns; Sure, there are exceptions, but I do think how a candidate runs his campaign (delegates or doesn't etc.) says something about their managerial skills as leader of the free world.

BTW, I do believe we are streaming the convention coverage.

Put on your thinking cap! A few months ago, when Reverend Wright gave his way over the top interview at the press club, I told my wife I thought Wright was throwing himself under the bus to help Obama. She didn't think so, but my impression was that he really was trying to force Obama to make a clean break with him, because Wright thought he was hurting Obama. At the time, I told her, "Just wait, after this Wright will get a thousand opportunities to spout off in print, on TV, on the radio, everywhere. If I am wrong and he really is just a self-centered jerk, we will see him everywhere."

Well, here we are months later, and nary a peep from Reverend Wright. At least not that I have heard. No interviews, no talk shows, nothing in print, nothing on the air. I haven't even seen a new photo of him. I am convinced Wright sacrificed himself for the cause. (I am not suggesting any collusion, I think he decided to do it alone.)

So Chuck ---- Do you think it is possible Wright, the former marine, purposely drew fire to himself to save Obama?

-Tony C. SA TX

I think Wright realized that if he continued to inflict political damage on Obama, he'd only hurt his own legacy. Ask Jesse Jackson what it's like to cross Obama. It's not welcomed in the black community right now so I think Wright is in a self-imposed exile but not for the reasons of the original theory on this thread. I think it's for Wright's self-preservation.

This sounds ludicrous, but could Powell become Obama's VP pick? He's rumored to speak at the convention and endorse Barack. And he's a centrist moderate.

-Andrew (aka Online Apps)

The convention/endorsement report was 100% wrong. I think Powell wants to endorse Obama but he doesn't want to see his endorsement viewed through the prism of race. But the fact is he's VERY upset with McCain these days over a number of foreign policy issues. So Powell's gut is pushing him to Obama; he has a long friendship with McCain and would have supported him over Bush in 2000 if he had his druthers.

I bet we won't see Powell endorse until after the debates.

Dear Chuck,

I am very confused now about where the McCain campaign stands on the good senator being a 1 term or 2 term president. My suspicion is he will promise 2 terms but only be able to fulfill 1 term. We have all heard the quacking on day 1 statement McCain made about a 1 term presidency. This implies that McCain's choice for VP is extremely important not just for his party, but, for the whole country.

Given the above, I read that Romey's health-care plan in the state he governed is in serious financial crisis and we know running a small state, company or the Olympics is nothing like running the United States of America, Does that not make Romey a risky choice? Tom Ridge has the dubious distinction of panicking the entire country over terrorist attacks with a suggestion of using duck tape to survive a chemical attack. Tom Ridge has the leadership skills of a yes-man, and his state governing was lack-luster at best.

So wouldn't Obama's VP eat Tom Ridge or Romey alive in the VP debate?

Who really is a good RNC VP choice for the country, given both of the afore mentioned gentlemen have serious and obvious management\leadership issues in all seriousness?

-Don't spin me bro!

I think the bench on the GOP side is VERY thin, thinner than the Dem side. The most qualified guy has the wrong last name (Jeb Bush) and everyone else who MIGHT turn out to have presidential chops don't have enough experience (Crist, Jindal, Thune, Sanford etc.).

So, for now, I guess Pawlenty isn't a horrible choice... I'd say it's safer for McCain than either Romney or Ridge who both could cause McCain problems in his base.

Hi Chuck and Staff,

Here's my question for this session:

Will this year be a win or loss based on character, the issues or ideology voters?

-Pacific Northwest Blogger

Yes on all three... I think this is one of those deals where some voters will be focused on issues, some on character and a majority on ideology...

Chuck, During the campaign McCain has been taking some pretty personal shots at Obama's character. Like he would lose the war to win his campaign, or that he is an empty suit who hasn't accomplished anything. I have heard some people say that Obama, or one of his surrogates, should fire a personal shot back about McCain's character, maybe something about him cheating on his first wife with Cindy. Do you think it would be a wise move to fire a shot over the bow, just to let McCain know that if he wants to make it all about character then the Democrats are more than willing to return fire. So, what do you think Chuck?

-tatro

Going below the belt is never a good thing... and it can make a candidate look desperate; that said, I think Obama hasn't been tough enough on MCCain... the attack ads could be more creative so they stick out... they've been VERY pedestrian and I think blend into the background. McCain's attack ads have stuck out... Love 'em or hate 'em, they stick out... Obama's hits on McCain do not; that's what he'll need to change in the fall.

Is Elizabeth Dole in trouble in NC? I was down there recently and there were a ton of negative adds against her. (Incidentally, there were also a huge # of Obama bumper stickers in an area that in the past I have only seen Bush bumper stickers, and I saw no McCain bumper stickers or signs while I was there...NONE.)

-hpeterson

I think EDole is definitely in trouble... I think the best she can expect to do is win 52-48 but if this election turns into a mini-Dem wave, then she's probably not politically strong enough to hold off her foe. Kay Hagan isn't the best Dem recruit; a better one would already be ahead of Dole right now. But, yes, she's in big trouble.

Chuck, Do you think that McCain and his advisors hesitated in running negative ads during the Olympics. The negativity, and pretty obvious lies really stick out in contrast to the positivity of the broadcasts. Even if some of the charges stick, don't the ads ruin McCain's brand?

-JustinL

I do think the McCain camp's decision to pull their negative Olympic spot says something about how they might be worrying that the negative tone could have backfired during the Olympics. Notice the ad they are running now is the one about "washington being broken" -- not exactly an optimistic spot, but not negative on Obama.

As for the Powell question, I think he's wrestling with one big issue regarding Obama, how does he endorse and have it NOT interpreted through the prism of race.

Chuck,

Do you have any idea what Michael Bloomberg is up to these days? Who do you believe that he will support, if he decides to endorse publicly?

-mjs6288

He's been keeping somewhat of a lower profile... my gut says he'll end up endorsing McCain. The two have a very good relationship, better than what Obama has with the billionaire mayor.

Do you think the recent Georgia/Russia conflict is almost an october suprise for Mccain? Now he can talk tough and discuss this issue while avoiding his weaknesses. All the while, trying to paint Obama as weaker due to his less confrontational approach and the party's.

--TreHutch

Maybe... I do wonder if the conflict will influence Obama's VP choice. Biden may not have been at the top of the list last week, but I'm guessing he is now...

Could you talk a bit more about what you said last week, how one can't extrapolate primary turnout numbers to the general? Is this always the case?
I know you were talking about a nonactive GOP primary in NC, but I've seen turnout numbers in my area from Feb. 5 in state districts & in Congressional districts with Republican incumbents where Dem primary turnout was about double and triple that of recent primaries. (The GOP presidential race was still active then even if some local GOP races were uncontested.) If all these Dems were to vote with the party in November, these Republican incumbents would be out.
But are you saying these Dem turnout numbers are irrelevant to the general, that many of these people will end up voting for Republicans or not voting?

-LenoreK

I think the Dem turnout numbers do tell us about Dem intensity.. what I was advising against was reading into the GOP primary turnout and wondering what it would mean for GOP turnout in the general.

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{"commentId":2436749,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

Chuck,

Just one question, why has MSNBC invested so much time and energy to Mr. B. H. Obama?

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Reply#1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":2438872,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

Hello Chuck, You've been following this campaign since the beginning, I'm sure. Do you believe that if Obama is elected that he will be able to motivate Congress and the Senate to pass positive legislation? Or do you think he would be reletively ineffective in his first term? (Due to the current refusal of those branches to pass effective legislation)

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#1.1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
{"commentId":2440289,"authorDomain":"mikerupert"}

I'll give you a tip, jade-log. The more people like you bring up "Hussein" as Obama's middle name, the more you're going to turn off independents. That's a guarantee. It IS Obama's middle name. But all it does is remind people of the ugliness that has been the Republican party. That kind of tactic is transparent, and turns those important voters away.

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#1.2 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:28 AM EDT
{"commentId":2451523,"authorDomain":"TonyCSATX"}

I agree with Rupert! Bring up the name all you want! Because not only is anybody that votes based on the name a dolt, the non-dolts realize this too. Trying to use Barack's name against him is evidence of blind partisanship, bigotry, intolerance, racism, stupidity, or all of the above. I sincerely hope this crowd does *not* get what they deserve for their hate-filled lives, which would be another four disastrous years of Bush policy.

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#1.3 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:54 AM EDT
{"commentId":2453406,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

If concern over someone's name is a legitimate reason to not vote for someone, I think I should start telling people that I won't vote for anyone who has the same first name as my ex-husband! There you go, jade-log, does that sound reasonable to you? lol

Maybe it's time for a Spartacus moment for all Obama supporters (or for you younger folks, reference the In and Out film with Kevin Kline as the gay teacher) - start inserting Hussein in your name, as I've heard some kids and bloggers are doing. Make it lose its power...

just call me Jen Hussein in upstate NY

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#1.4 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":2454305,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

Wow Mike, Tony, and Jen. You guys really nuked her.

What was that line from Obama's speech about taking pride in ignorance?

-Peyton Hussein Taylor

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#1.5 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":2454487,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

Hey Peyton Hussein -
isn't it nice that we're in the same family?

My problem with jade-log's comment is that I count on Newsvine commenters to participate in intelligent discussion. I see too much of this kind of ignorant, inflammatory tripe in the postings of the persons who respond to First Read items over on MSNBC.com, and I don't want Chuck to have to waste his valuable time wading through that kind of nonsense when answering our questions.

your sister, Jen Hussein in Upstate NY

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#1.6 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":2454834,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

Seriously, people...those are his (B.O.'s)initials. He (jade-log) didn't even say the name "Hussein" and look how you all are reacting.

Bunch of paranoid kool-aid drinkers.

It's a valid question, isn't it?

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#1.7 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":2455201,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

First of all, lower-case jen, Jade DID make reference to his middle name...as much as she did Obama's first name, by using his first two initals. Secondly, her opinion is valid, as everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. However, the accusational tone of her question is NOT valid. And third, just because we picked up on the racist overtone of her question doesn't make us paranoid. It makes us intelligent.

And speaking of paranoia, how many people here even know John McCain's middle name off the top of their head? I'm guessing not many. I wonder why nobody ever addresses him using his middle name? Probably because it's something REALLY controversial like "Richard."

Taylor

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#1.8 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:55 PM EDT
{"commentId":2455249,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

Valid point, other Jen, jade-log didn't mention the name, but did include the initial. But note, other Jen, that you spout the same "paranoid koolaid drinkers" attack line so popular with a certain group of bloggers. It doesn't clarify any particular position, just attempts to imply that there is something wrong with people who support Obama. And as I noted, this is the kind of non-serious comment I expect to see on MSNBC, not here.

By the way, do you know what John McCain's middle name is? Do you care? Does it matter? What kind of middle name would matter (or not) to you?

And jade-log's question isn't valid, it's asking why MSNBC is so biased in Obama's favor. That's not a fair question for one, and two, this is not MSNBC. The question should be sent to MSNBC, not this Newsvine column.

Can we get back now to serious questions and comments? Thank you.

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#1.9 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
{"commentId":2455397,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

I don't know what John McCain's middle name is, nor do I care. I also could care less what Obama's middle name is. It is immaterial to me.

I think we are all analyzing way too much into this racial overtone stuff.

First off, jade-log, if you'd bother to click on his handle, is a MALE.

Second, he has made it clear on a NUMBER of occasions that he is VOTING for OBAMA.

So, I think the line that you are more intelligent than the rest of us merely because you pick up on these alleged racial overtones is false.

And yes, I should not have said the whole koolaid bit....but really, you do sound a bit paranoid.

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#1.10 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":2455416,"authorDomain":"gbixler"}

Peyton,

McCain's middle name is Sidney. Maybe he's a woman. :)

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    #1.11 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2455535,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
    So, I think the line that you are more intelligent than the rest of us merely because you pick up on these alleged racial overtones is false.

    No one will ever convince me that someone is "innocently" utilizing or suggesting Obama's middle name. Deny it all you like.

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    #1.12 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2455562,"authorDomain":"grammy828"}

    Jade-,
    I feel all of the networks put TOO much of their own personal agenda in reporting the news, which is unfair and unbalance. MSNBC does report too much on Mr. Obama, however, they under report Mr. McCain and this is for a reason. It would be nice if the reporting about Mr. Obama was more positive than negative. The networks provide too much free air-time for Mr. McCain also.

    So my interests are... Where is the fair and balance news reporting?

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    #1.13 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2455581,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

    Upstate Jen,

    Wow, I think you and must have been identical twins separated at birth!

    lower-case jen,

    You are really cracking me up today. I also responded to your comments about my Hillary Clinton question below. I never said or implied that I was more intelligent than anyone. My apologies to jade for mistakingly referring to him as "she," although I don't know why it matters. I don't get hung up on stuff like that.

    Gene,

    Ah yes, Sidney. I had heard that but forgot. How terribly controversial! McCain better pray that story never gets out.

    -Taylor

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    #1.14 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2456047,"authorDomain":"lnab"}

    and how little time the MSM spends on the 1000's of complaints of voter fraud in the Democratic caucuses... some so bad that results could not even be reported

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    #1.15 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2456148,"authorDomain":"cooksolutions"}

    Because he's the Democratic candidate for President. John McCain is running, too. That's why they spend so much time on those two gentlemen.

    Unless, you were trying to suggest something, else? If so, then why don't you just come out and say it?

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      #1.16 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2456380,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

      At the risk of sounding like I'm advocating a Kumbaya moment here, let's call a truce. It's obvious that we all have strong feelings about certain things, but it does show that we're engaged. That, to me, is a positive thing to be these days.

      No hard feelings. At least we spared Chuck from having to get involved with this! Haha, he's the dad driving the car, and we're the siblings fighting over the window seat in the car!

      P.S. Peyton, I was busy typing along and had just posted my comment when I saw yours! I started laughing right away! I guess some of us here do tend to think alike, don't we? : )

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      #1.17 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2456981,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

      Perhaps I misinterpreted this comment as an intimation that I was NOT intelligent.

      And third, just because we picked up on the racist overtone of her question doesn't make us paranoid. It makes us intelligent.

      However, I still do not believe that jade-log (who again, is VOTING for Obama) meant anything remotely racist by including his initial.

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      #1.18 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2456995,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

      And belatedly, in response to jade-log...

      Considering the vast amount of gaffes and missteps he (McCain) has made...you would think the Mccain camp would be thanking their lucky stars that the media has been covering Obama at the rate they have been.

      It could actually work in his favor.

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      #1.19 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2458368,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

      Chuck, do you know how many of the polling organizations are trying to norm their sampling vis-a-vis the so-called "Bradley-Wilder Effect"? Mark Blumenthal of National Journal has indicated that some polling outfits will be trying to do this after the conventions.

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      #1.20 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2458623,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

      This thread has certainly been all over map... We've given lots of attention to both nominees. As for the question about the so-called Bradley effect; don't believe the hype... Obama's not over-polling... "undecided" might be over-polling but not Obama. I do think there are some folks sitting in undecided who have no plans to vote for Obama but maybe just can't bring themselves to say they are for McCain yet. or maybe they'll end up with Nader or Barr. But the days of folks lying to pollsters are SUPPORTING a black candidate are over. Harold Ford's candidacy showed us that.

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      #1.21 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2436962,"authorDomain":"ianfwalter"}

      Are McCain's negative "celebrity" adds indicative of a candidate who believes he is further behind that the polls seem to indicate? Or just politics as usual?

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      Reply#2 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2437830,"authorDomain":"bentarver"}

      Silly question, why do networks support McCain's negative campaigning by running (or should I say rerunning, rerunning rerunning) his ads?

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      #2.1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2449564,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

      Has there ever been a poll that asks voters if their minds were changed by viewing negative ads? People say they hate them, but then when polls show movement one way or the other, analysts seem to think that this is a result of the negative ads. Is there anyway to tell what's happening?

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      #2.2 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2454729,"authorDomain":"smheart78"}

      What do you consider of the match-up between Biden and Tom Ridge for the VP selections?Tom Ridge...former PA Governer, well respected in the state and former Homeland Security Cheif...vs Joe Biden's Foreign Relations/Blue collar experience....In recent days these two seem to be a hot topic especially over a hot swing state...

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      #2.3 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2455729,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

      Voters always say negative ads don't work and yet, there's plenty of evidence that voters learn more information from negative ads than from positive ads. That's been the best measuring stick I've seen. Do a focus group of a slew of ads, some negative and some positive and then find out from the group, who learned what from the ads. You'll see that the negative ads are the ones that stick out. That said, I think McCain does run a risk of coming across TOO pessimistic; it's been a while since we elected the more pessimistic presidential candidate.

      Ridge v. Biden would be an interesting debate; I'd probably give knowledge points to Biden but likeability points to Ridge; Both would do a good job appealing to working class whites, the potential swing voting group of this election.

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      #2.4 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2456091,"authorDomain":"thenuckels"}

      Chuck - Based on your observations of the political scene, it seems that once again the indications are that people vote based on 'emotions' and not 'issues'.

      If this is the case, do negative ads have a bigger impact on some demographics than others? Does it partially explain why negative ads seem to have an even higher influence on 'working class white' voters who feel besieged by economic conditions and are more sensitive to any criticism of military action which is the one area that offers them opportunity?

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      #2.5 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2456196,"authorDomain":"smheart78"}

      Sooo, if Obama did go with Biden as a VP, what do you think would be a serious negative? (no difference in who is picked for the republican VP).
      Better question: Who would be best from the Republicans VP to go against Joe Biden? Lieberman? Young scholar like Jindal?

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      #2.6 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2458641,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

      If I were McCain and wanting to pick a nominee to specifically debate Biden, I might pick Pawlenty. I think it's better to let Biden talk himself in circles. Pawlenty could play the aw-shucks card. Ridge could do well against him too. Lieberman and Romney would be eaten alive by Biden.

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      #2.7 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2469923,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

      Biden will take all the time talking. Therefore, I still would like to see Romney in the ticket w/McCain.

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      #2.8 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2488307,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

      Deter----I also respectfully disagree with Chuck's assessment that Romney would be "eaten alive" by Biden.....I don't buy that for a minute.

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      #2.9 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2491770,"authorDomain":"noxeternam"}

      I have met Mr. Romney and have heard him in several open Q & A 's. He would have no problems handling Biden.

      Biden would have a problem not spending his entire speaking time blowing his own horn.

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        #2.10 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2493183,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        lisa,

        It's his smile after talking (Biden). Also, the idea of dividing Iraq in two Biden presented like his idea, not true, because it was when I was in the Paul Krugman's forum that came, a long time before he said. And.....of course his reputation. I don't want to pity Obama but having a talkative V.P.......the Lord has to have compassion of Barack.

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        #2.11 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2503670,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

        determined---and all this time I thought that partitioning idea was dreamed up by jfxgillis?

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        #2.12 - Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2505003,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        And.....I agree with the Professor that Iraq should be divided in two provinces, not three countries.

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        #2.13 - Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2508735,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

        lisa:

        Actually, Peter Galbraith wrote an essay in the NY Review of Books I think in Sept. '03 laying out the plan; although I did say so a month earlier, I'm not an area expert and Galbraith is--I just wanted the burgeoning civil war to stop.

        det:

        If the Kurds get one province, do the Shia and Sunni share the other one?

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        #2.14 - Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2509701,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
        If the Kurds get one province, do the Shia and Sunni share the other one?

        The time wasted by the Iraqis is precious. The Kurds had been taking advantage of every opportunity and they were under the boot of Saddam also.

        I hope that the "provinces" work and Biden can be talking 24/7, he could outperform the Iraqis.

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        #2.15 - Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2509814,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

        det:

        But won't the Sunni and Shia just keeping fighting for power? Why not divide them, too?

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        #2.16 - Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2509978,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

        Well, probably the Iraqis might finish with the size of Kuwait. Provinces are more sensible.

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        #2.17 - Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2527493,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
        I'm not an area expert

        Jack-2.14-oh don't be so modest---for me personally ---biden or no biden the partitioning idear will always be attributed to it's biggest early advocate Professor Gillis.

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        #2.18 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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        {"commentId":2437290,"authorDomain":"tatro101"}

        Hi Chuck,

        I was wondering what you think on the narrative of the presidential race so far. All I keep hearing about is everything Obama cant do, and all the stuff he has to do better. Well, I thought Obama was leading in most polls. He is a newcomer to the scene and is less known, but he is still winning right now. Shouldn't the question be what McCain should be doing, and what he has to improve on? He is the better known candidate and pretty much never cracks 44% in any of the polls. His ceiling to me seems much lower, therefore he should be the one that has all of these problems to fix, not Obama. What do you think Chuck?

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        Reply#3 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:35 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2447381,"authorDomain":"Str8UpNoChaser"}

        Tatro,

        Ditto. Got my vote.

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        #3.1 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2454870,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

        I think more is expected of Obama. It just is what it is.

        McCain was sort of the only candidate that they could support being that people are pretty much sick of the Republican Party right now because of the Bushies. McCain was the most centrist out of that camp, and therefore, probably the most electable against the Dems.

        So, McCain was more of a default candidate, while Obama was one of hope and change and inspiration and all those other words his campaign and supporters claim.

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        #3.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:26 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2455753,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

        _jen— gave a pretty good answer. I think the fact is voters THINK they know less about Obama than they do McCain; that might not be the truth but it's the perception voters themselves believe and that's tough to change. I think there will be more focus on McCain as the campaign gets going in the fall but ultimately this is going to continue to be a referendum on Obama's ability to be president.

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        #3.3 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2456342,"authorDomain":"demslc"}

        It seems to me that the media is driving the idea that we do not know enough about Obama.

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        #3.4 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2458790,"authorDomain":"tatro101"}

        Well 47% of people polled said they are hearing too much about Obama. So, apparently there are quite a few people out there that want more balanced coverage. There are too many people voting for the first time to say that everybody knows McCain. Also, if this election is turning into a referendum on Obama, it is because the media is letting it. Just because the MSM thinks everyone already knows McCain, doesn't mean you guys should just ignore a McCain gaffe, or outright lie. So, because people know McCain already he can make mistake after mistake, and he can tell lie after lie. That doesn't make any sense to me.

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        #3.5 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":2437400,"authorDomain":"tatro101"}

        One more question for ya Chuck. What do you make of the republicans for Obama, that just came out today. Do you think this will have any lasting influence on the race. Maybe it would give cover to some other republicans to jump the fence, or just give them a little assurance that the waters fine and Obama isn't the anti-crist, that McCain is trying to portray him as.

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        • 12 votes
        Reply#4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:47 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2455894,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

        None of the Republicans that were released are seen as major players... Frankly, I think Lieberman for McCain (if he ends up the VP for McCain) will be seen as a bigger party-switcher than Leach/Chafee etc. Obama needs a big player like Powell or Hagel.

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        • 2 votes
        #4.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2458817,"authorDomain":"tatro101"}

        I agree that none of them are huge names, but there isnt a Democrats for McCain group. I think just the fact that some republicans are starting a group to support Obama speaks volumes. Oh, and by the way McCain can have Lieberman.

        {"commentId":2458817,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"tatro101"}
        • 1 vote
        #4.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2469951,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
        Obama needs a big player like Powell or Hagel

        .

        Powell will make me more in the comfy zone under the aura of the Jr Senator from Illinois. However, if I am Obama, I would not trust Hagel.

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        • 2 votes
        #4.3 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:27 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":2437416,"authorDomain":"mjs6288"}

        Hello Chuck,

        Do you have any insights into why the McCain campaign hasn't done any TV advertising in local Florida markets? What are the campaigns' feelings about how Florida currently stands? I know that most polls are not properly executed, but the public polls show McCain and Obama in a dead heat for that state's electoral votes.

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2454995,"authorDomain":"lindacozby"}

        I would like to know that too.

        At this point don't really trust any of the polls they seem to be all over the place, and I'm not sure if they are calling anybody, so far I have never been polled for anything.

        {"commentId":2454995,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lindacozby"}
          #5.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2458665,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

          McCain camp believes its most persuadable voters in FL are snow-birds and aren't around in the summer. Simple as that...

          {"commentId":2458665,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
          • 1 vote
          #5.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:09 PM EDT
          Reply
          {"commentId":2437539,"authorDomain":"dlwillson"}

          Chuck

          I'm obviously a Biden guy(don't know how he could pick anyone else...2 senators or not...seems he is a better "leader" than any of the "executives")...was a Hillary guy...an old Mccain/Biden guy in 2004... then settled on Obama when he came to NH and Isaw ALL of them speak...a number of times for work and self.

          on this note...

          Has anyone counted the times that Biden has appeared on Meet the Press, Nightly News, This Week, Face the Nation, Charlie Rose, AC 360, Hardball....been interviewed by national Newspapers, spoken on a nationally broadcast event or panel or board...

          and then taken his 6 gaffes or so and averaged them compared to other candidates.

          I would really like to see the numbers on this "gaffe machine".

          Considering he is the guy putting out the fight from the dem side all the time (full of himself or not he puts up the fight for the past 7 years from the dems more than anyone)...

          does it not seem like his average on gaffes when taken into consideration with the amount of times he speaks (fights for issues)... make most of them including Hillary and Obama and Mccain look like "gaffe machines."

          and don't you think a Bayh or Sebelius or Kaine will have to start speaking up like Biden if they get the nod...

          and what happens when a non attack dog has to become an attack dog...gaffes.

          and whose gaffes do you think will control a longer round of newscycles...Biden (the old guy who "stuck his foot in his mouth" like mccain where we know the guy so well...we know he gets by it and usually doesn't mean the bad part of his slip)

          or the people who we don't know.

          Just questions and wonder your thoughts as usual.

          and by the way...I think McCain may still pick Ridge....but Pawlenty will be off the table if Obama picks Biden.

          In that case McCain goes new or safe.

          {"commentId":2437539,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"dlwillson"}
            Reply#6 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2437544,"authorDomain":"dlwillson"}

            Chuck

            I'm obviously a Biden guy(don't know how he could pick anyone else...2 senators or not...seems he is a better "leader" than any of the "executives")...was a Hillary guy...an old Mccain/Biden guy in 2004... then settled on Obama when he came to NH and I saw ALL of the candidates (on both sides ) speak...a number of times for work and self.

            on this note...

            My question ...
            Has anyone counted the times that Biden has appeared on Meet the Press, Nightly News, This Week, Face the Nation, Charlie Rose, AC 360, Hardball....been interviewed by national Newspapers, spoken on a nationally broadcast event or panel or board...

            and then taken his 6 gaffes or so and averaged them compared to other candidates.

            I would really like to see the numbers on this "gaffe machine".

            (the rest of this is just thoughts on this feel free to skip my blather...)

            Considering he is the guy putting out the fight from the dem side all the time (full of himself or not he puts up the fight for the past 7 years from the dems more than anyone)...

            does it not seem like his average on gaffes when taken into consideration with the amount of times he speaks (fights for issues)... make most of them including Hillary and Obama and Mccain look like "gaffe machines."

            and don't you think a Bayh or Sebelius or Kaine will have to start speaking up like Biden if they get the nod...

            and what happens when a non attack dog has to become an attack dog...gaffes.

            and whose gaffes do you think will control a longer round of newscycles...Biden (the old guy who "stuck his foot in his mouth" like mccain where we know the guy so well...we know he gets by it and usually doesn't mean the bad part of his slip)

            or the people who we don't know.

            Just questions and wonder your thoughts as usual.

            and by the way...I think McCain may still pick Ridge....but Pawlenty will be off the table if Obama picks Biden.

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            • 5 votes
            Reply#7 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2442147,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

            I think you bring up an interesting question -

            We've already heard that a number of people overlook McCain's gaffes because they feel they know him, and he didn't really mean it the way it sounded, and he just misspoke, etc. He can flip flop because he's been around so long, and after all, it means he's learned a lot and changed his mind.

            Whereas Obama is a newcomer to the political scene, and we don't know him well enough to give him credit for misspeaking (as if he really thought we had 57 states!). Everything he says is examined under a microscope and he is called a flip flopper constantly, because apparently most people can only understand sound bites, rather than nuanced, deliberate evaluations... (Anyone who has received higher education and uses big words is under a cloud of suspicion)

            Is it possible that any gaffes that Biden might make would be overlooked for the same reason - we all know him, many people like and respect him, and he'll get the benefit of the doubt?

            I look forward to hearing what Chuck thinks about your post! And of course, Chuck, I am thinking you will be proven correct, and Biden has been keeping it quiet lately for a very good reason.

            By the way, I think the Georgia/Russia issue coming as an "August surprise" helps make Biden look like an inspired choice. Although I haven't read his piece on the matter that was mentioned in someone's post on MSNBC.com yesterday or today, it sounded as though it was well-received - was it, Chuck?

            And if Maureen Dowd's column has even a scintilla of truth, Biden won't be afraid to call the Clintons out if they disrupt the convention!

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            • 3 votes
            #7.1 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
            {"commentId":2451799,"authorDomain":"dlwillson"}

            Yeah Jen

            The piece in the financial times...the undercovered platform he put out on energy last month, and the fact that he is set to be honored on the 10th of September for being as effective for families and women...set him up highly.

            I know I sound like a pitch man but I am pretty sure I am about to be proven right on Biden and I always love to be right (lol).

            Chuck I would also love to hear what you think if you have seen the similarities and differences in Obama and Biden's energy proposals (as expected I think they are almost identical but have slight differences).

            and I too would love to know what you think not only of the article Biden wrote but of his knowledge base against the Mccain team (whomever that may be) on Russia/ Georgia. and a lot of people who argue for a more military person...seems to me puts that issue on the playing field McCain wants...that it is military and not diplomatic.

            anyway any thought always intrigued.

            {"commentId":2451799,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"dlwillson"}
              #7.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:31 AM EDT
              {"commentId":2451805,"authorDomain":"dlwillson"}

              Yeah Jen

              The piece in the financial times...the undercovered platform he put out on energy last month, and the fact that he is set to be honored on the 10th of September for being as effective for families and women...set him up highly.

              I know I sound like a pitch man but I am pretty sure I am about to be proven right on Biden and I always love to be right (lol).

              Chuck I would also love to hear what you think if you have seen the similarities and differences in Obama and Biden's energy proposals (as expected I think they are almost identical but have slight differences).

              and I too would love to know what you think not only of the article Biden wrote but of his knowledge base against the Mccain team (whomever that may be) on Russia/ Georgia. and a lot of people who argue for a more military person...seems to me puts that issue on the playing field McCain wants...that it is military and not diplomatic.

              anyway any thought always intrigued.

              {"commentId":2451805,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"dlwillson"}
                #7.3 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:32 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2452809,"authorDomain":"dlwillson"}

                and 1 more
                Chuck what are your thoughts on Obama holding the VP announcement to right after this joint appearance at Saddleback just in case something goes wrong with joint appearance? or extending the newscycle their way (Obama's) after it is done...?

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                • 2 votes
                #7.4 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:18 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2453036,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

                And speaking of that joint appearance - who do you think benefits most from this appearance?

                The cover story on Warren (I hope I have his name right) in Time magazine seems to imply that he wants this forum to get his ideas out on a national level. So obviously he seems to benefit most, but what do McCain and Obama have to gain from this? More support from certain Christian groups (both)? Obama gets another chance to refute the Muslim rumors?

                What are your thoughts on the political ramifications of this, Chuck?

                {"commentId":2453036,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"Jen56"}
                • 1 vote
                #7.5 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
                {"commentId":2454722,"authorDomain":"smheart78"}

                What do you consider of the match-up between Biden and Tom Ridge for the VP selections?Tom Ridge...former PA Governer, well respected in the state and former Homeland Security Cheif...vs Joe Biden's Foreign Relations/Blue collar experience....In recent days these two seem to be a hot topic especially over a hot swing state...

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                  #7.6 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2454929,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                  I sure hope Biden gets picked, but I'm not holding my breath. He was my frontrunner, but I'm wondering if Obama won't pick Bayh because he's a backseat kind of politician. In other words, he won't be contradicting Obama every step of the way. Bad part is, Bayh's wife's career and connections.

                  As for McCain's gaffes being overlooked by the media, I think it is a valid point. Just like with Bill Clinton's "gaffes" during the primary: does anyone actually believe he is a racist? And if he is, why oh why would Obama want him to speak at the DNC?

                  {"commentId":2454929,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                  • 2 votes
                  #7.7 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2456037,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                  Well, I think Biden is the frontrunner; I think the point made at the top about gaffes as a percentage of public chatter is an interesting study.... but politics doesn't work that way even if your metric is a fair one... Just ask Billy Beane... he keeps buying into all sorts of new baseball metrics and yet, what does the press report.

                  Still, for all the reasons stated above, Biden's a serious frontrunner for the VP slot...

                  {"commentId":2456037,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                  • 2 votes
                  #7.8 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2457340,"authorDomain":"dlwillson"}

                  lol I agree but atleast Billy has a niche market...lol

                  {"commentId":2457340,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"dlwillson"}
                    #7.9 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
                    Reply
                    {"commentId":2437652,"authorDomain":"tatro101"}

                    OK one last question for ya Chuck.

                    I wanted to know what the deal was with Pennsylvania. On NBC's map you guys still have Pennsylvania in the toss up column. Every poll I have seen out of Pennsylvania has Obama up anywhere from 7%-11%. So, I was curious how this state isn't considered at least lean Obama?

                    {"commentId":2437652,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"tatro101"}
                    • 11 votes
                    Reply#8 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2438301,"authorDomain":"GreyWolf"}
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                      #8.1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2456099,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                      There are states which in August are tossups (like PA) that if by late Oct. are still in the same poll range, move to lean... PA is definitely on the bubble between toss-up and lean Obama right now...

                      {"commentId":2456099,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                      • 2 votes
                      #8.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
                      Reply
                      {"commentId":2437700,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                      Chuck my question doesn't relate to polling since at this stage of the campaign it probably doesn't mean much. No, my question goes to why MSNBC suddenly found the John Edwards story "newsworthy" after I believe you said that it wasn't in that category or at least was not until last Friday afternoon.

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                      • 16 votes
                      Reply#9 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2442368,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                      Chuck --I have a followup to Bill Harrison's excellent question----why do you think the mainstream media is disinclined to use the Edwards Sex Scandal to smear the broader democratic brand as they seemed keen to do to the GOP brand leveraging the Mark Foley story prior to the 2006 mid-term elections?

                      {"commentId":2442368,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
                      • 9 votes
                      #9.1 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:54 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":2442456,"authorDomain":"gbixler"}

                      Lisa,

                      Because the GOP is anti-gay, and the Mark Foley scandal was about a GOPer, publicly homophobic, chasing teenage boys. And because the GOP, in every election, tries to sell itself as the "family values" party, so when they can't uphold the values they try to force on everyone else, it's more newsworthy.

                      There, I saved Chuck some time. :)

                      {"commentId":2442456,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"gbixler"}
                      • 8 votes
                      #9.2 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2442791,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

                      I saved Chuck some time a few days ago, when she asked the same question. ;)

                      Still, another perspective can't hurt.

                      {"commentId":2442791,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"brianford"}
                      • 4 votes
                      #9.3 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2442856,"authorDomain":"gbixler"}

                      Haha Brian. Well, we're doing our part, I guess.

                      But you're right, Chuck's perspective is always good, and I wasn't seriously implying I'd given the "correct" answer, I'm sure Chuck will have a more insightful response. (I was going to say "I'm sure Chuck will set me straight" but I decided to avoid the pun, given the topic.)

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                      • 6 votes
                      #9.4 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2443524,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

                      Yeah, but Edwards also ran on family values and attacked Clinton for his little affair.

                      {"commentId":2443524,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"onlineapps"}
                      • 5 votes
                      #9.5 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2443571,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

                      True, but that had nothing really to do with his party. I think the question is general, and therefore you have to consider the why one man would be tied to the Republican party as a whole vs. why another man wouldn't be tied to the Democratic party as a whole, and I think you'll have a hard time stating that the Democratic party is the party which trumpets family values as an important policy issue when it relates to private issues and homosexuality.

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                      • 3 votes
                      #9.6 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2447530,"authorDomain":"Str8UpNoChaser"}

                      I agree with Gene. The Entire Republican Party, other than the Log Cabin Republicans, pretend that homosexuality is a Liberal thing. Their Party wanted to write discrimination against homosexuals into the Constitution. Condemnation of homosexuality was a part of their Party platform. So yes, the whole Party was painted as hypocrites when Mark Foley was outed, when Larry Craig was arrested, when Dick Cheney railed against gays, but refused to talk about his daughter, etc.

                      However, the Democratic Party as a whole never stood beside Elizabeth Edwards in front of God and family and pledged to "keep only unto" her. Big Difference.

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                      • 2 votes
                      #9.7 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2448963,"authorDomain":"hlpeterson-99"}

                      It seems to me if this were an issues campaign the Georgia/Russia issue would get more time than this Edward's issue. I watched prime time MSNBC tonight and I think (please correct me if I am wrong) all three prime time shows spent more time on John Edwards than what should be a big issue in this campaign. I realize when John Edwards admitted the affair it became news, but I liked it better when the answer was "We are not pursuing this story as he is a private citizen." (That said about the coverage on MSNBC, I want my 50$ back from Edwards/2004! And yeah, I am more cynical.)

                      {"commentId":2448963,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"hlpeterson-99"}
                        #9.8 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2454965,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                        Andrew-Good point.

                        Lisa-Mark Foley was making sexual overtures to underage kids. That's illegal.

                        It remains to be see that screwing someone behind your wife's back is illegal. Immoral yes, but that's a stretch to illegal.

                        And as someone else on this thread pointed out, the Republican base has so often pointed out that gays make Jesus mad.

                        {"commentId":2454965,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                        • 2 votes
                        #9.9 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2456471,"authorDomain":"Jen56"}

                        Hi jen -

                        Excellent point about illegality vs immorality. The main issue here is about hypocrisy. These days, watch what you say, or be prepared to have someone tell the media about anything you have ever done!

                        {"commentId":2456471,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"Jen56"}
                        • 1 vote
                        #9.10 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2457230,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                        Jen-I agree with your assertion that hypocrisy is at the helm of this discussion.

                        What is fascinating to me, if how some things "stick" to some candidates, and others are just able to shrug them off. I guess is depends on how the candidate deals with the issue: apologies, press conferences, interviews, etc etc.

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                        • 1 vote
                        #9.11 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:02 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2458700,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                        This is quite the debate... Edwards as a story is a debate we've been having internally. He put his family front and center as one of the reasons to support him so on that score, he deserves to be outed as a hypocrite. On the other hand; he's currently a private citizen and has no role in governing anybody right now.

                        {"commentId":2458700,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                        • 4 votes
                        #9.12 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2458824,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

                        But, I think the point BH is making is that you -- at one point -- said it wasn't news. (Or something to that effect.) My guess is that people want to know what changed between then and now.

                        {"commentId":2458824,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"brianford"}
                        • 1 vote
                        #9.13 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2462076,"authorDomain":"TonyCSATX"}

                        I think the line "he is a private citizen" is a cop-out; that is like saying Bill Clinton is a private citizen. The question isn't whether a person currently holds office, or ever holds office, the issue is potential to influence either policy or the fate of the party. I think Bill certainly has that, and Edwards has that. Should we make Edwards the AG, or poverty czar?

                        What Bill Clinton is doing is relevant, whether connected to Hillary or not, because he can get on TV or in print in a heartbeat and push for legislation he wants passed. Edwards is not as connected as Bill, but he is not without influence.

                        Holding formal office is not an appropriate threshold, the only question is whether an individual has any significant influence on the public, votes, policy, or spending.

                        {"commentId":2462076,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"TonyCSATX"}
                        • 2 votes
                        #9.14 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":2463666,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                        Well, I could see the logic in this:

                        the issue is potential to influence either policy or the fate of the party. I think Bill certainly has that, and Edwards has that. Should we make Edwards the AG, or poverty czar?

                        If you take Edwards out of the equation and put in the name Rush Limbaugh (who is VERY influential), I would definitely see it as news that he was a prescription drug abuser.

                        {"commentId":2463666,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                        • 1 vote
                        #9.15 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":2463679,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                        But, most of that is because he holds people to a standard he cannot adhere to himself.

                        Of course, the same could be said for Edwards (after saying what he did about Clinton back in '99).

                        {"commentId":2463679,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                        • 1 vote
                        #9.16 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
                        {"commentId":2466351,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

                        Brian

                        Thank you Brian that was precisely my point. I think it's patently obvious why MSNBC and the other MSM didn't run with the story until last Friday evening and that's --- $$$$s. They wanted to let the Enquirer do all their dirty work for them and then they could run in to seize fruits for their own and the ratings points with it.

                        Further, the "private citizen" stuff is nonsense as well. Up until last Friday at the very least he was being mentioned as a likely AG or even SCOTUS nominee. Further, this story's not run its course yet by any means although it's now mainly a question of following the money.

                        {"commentId":2466351,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
                        • 4 votes
                        #9.17 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2479439,"authorDomain":"TonyCSATX"}

                        __jen__

                        But, most of that is because he holds people to a standard he cannot adhere to himself.

                        I think it has more to do with simple lying, both for Limbaugh and Edwards. Some actions, once taken, can never be taken back or forgiven, and after being done the first time are ever easier to do again. It is no mystery, for example, why professional killers are usually former soldiers that killed on the battlefield. But that is at an extreme. In the middle, spousal abuse comes to mind; my advice to my daughter and her friends has always been that the first time a guy strikes you in anger in any way, walk away and never look back, end it there no matter how much time is invested. Once that shield is broken it cannot be restored. The same thing goes for cheating, in my book, I don't care if s/he was drunk or high or whatever. Once a cheat, always a cheat, at least for that relationship. The next relationship with a different person is another chance, but you cannot erase the past.

                        Bald faced lying for personal advantage is certainly on the light end of the scale, but that is where Edwards and Limbaugh are sitting. They have committed cynical fraud, they lied to further their careers and make profits, and forevermore are suspect of repeating that offense. I don't care that Edward's cheated on his wife, I care that in his final analysis he chose to lie to the American people in order to get his way.

                        What could he have done instead? He could have taken the GWB line on drugs: Don't deny, don't confirm, and refuse to discuss it. If reporter's won't give up, paraphrase the Obama line: If you guys don't have any other questions, we can end this early.

                        I say lying for personal advantage is on the light end, but that is compared to murder or physical assault. I consider lying a serious offense. When I have had employees, a provable lie about any business matter for any reason is an immediate firing offense with no severance, no matter what the cost to me. If you let lies work, all you will get is lies, and you have to make the payback for discovery too much to bear. With employees I avoid discussions of politics, religion, sex or anything else personal, I really do not want to know, so they seldom have either opportunity or reason to lie about personal matters.

                        On the public scale, I will never trust Bill, Hillary, Edwards or McCain ever again. I treat every line they utter with extreme cynicism requiring independent confirmation, and if that is impossible, I assume it is self-serving B.S.

                        I haven't yet caught Obama in any lie of their calibre. The closest is his FISA reversal, I consider his failure to oppose it an ugly stain on his character. But McCain has twenty even worse, so Obama still gets my vote.

                        {"commentId":2479439,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"TonyCSATX"}
                        • 2 votes
                        #9.18 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
                        Reply
                        {"commentId":2438102,"authorDomain":"StanBar"}

                        Why hasn't the media reported the Aug 5, 2008 report from the CFTC about the amount of Oil speculation on NYMEX or Sen. Maria Cantwell's letter to the CFTC on Aug 8th? The latest information provides a different view for why oil prices have fallen during the last few weeks. Strongly indicating speculation

                        More information on Sen. Cantwell's website

                        "Robert McCullough of McCullough Research, an energy market expert who exposed Enron's market manipulation, has released a new statistical analysis research report of oil futures and spot market prices that is a convincing and substantive rebuttal to the interagency interim report. This report shows that the dramatic rise in oil prices in June 2008, and the subsequent fall in price in July 2008, can't be explained by any of the fundamentals of supply and demand. Instead, it could be a result of the trading strategies of major market players."

                        Financial Week

                        UPDATE 1 Big CFTC data revision raises oil traders eyebrows - Reuters Aug 5, 2008

                        {"commentId":2438102,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"StanBar"}
                          Reply#10 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2438105,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

                          Chuck:

                          In case you're stuck in the Beltway echochamber and don't get it: McCain LOST ground this weekj shooting his mouth off about Russia, More people are more pissed off about McCain's bellicosity than they are about Putin starting a war in a country they don't know about or care about.

                          Comment?

                          {"commentId":2438105,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
                          • 18 votes
                          Reply#11 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2441543,"authorDomain":"olderisbetter"}

                          While the Russian attack has been massive, why is there little of no mention of Georgia's role in getting the whole thing started? Wasn't it Georgia's shelling of the civilian population in the breakaway provinces the cause for Russia's incursion?

                          {"commentId":2441543,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"olderisbetter"}
                          • 3 votes
                          #11.1 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":2442107,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

                          "cause" for or "excuse" for...?

                          {"commentId":2442107,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"brianford"}
                          • 1 vote
                          #11.2 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
                          {"commentId":2442444,"authorDomain":"olderisbetter"}

                          Brian,
                          Absolutely, Russia used it for an excuse for their excessive retaliation. But still, Georgia did start it. And I've heard a few reports of Georgia starting an ethnic cleansing in those areas.

                          And how is this different from Serbia/Kosovo?

                          {"commentId":2442444,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"olderisbetter"}
                          • 3 votes
                          #11.3 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2442809,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

                          I don't really disagree, I've been a bit concerned about the response that boils down to "Russia attacked..." which I think is a bit of an over-simplification.

                          {"commentId":2442809,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"brianford"}
                          • 2 votes
                          #11.4 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":2447544,"authorDomain":"Str8UpNoChaser"}

                          Agreed Brian, which is exactly why Senator Obama's initial response was directed at BOTH parties.

                          {"commentId":2447544,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"Str8UpNoChaser"}
                            #11.5 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458715,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            I think McCain wanted to issue a more aggressive statement against Russia but Bush's response prevented him from doing that; The guy who seems to be the person who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut in all this, is the president of Georgia. He seems to be putting the U.S. and Russia both in boxes.

                            {"commentId":2458715,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                            • 6 votes
                            #11.6 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2459678,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

                            Chuck:

                            I think McCain wanted to issue a more aggressive statement against Russia but Bush's response prevented him from doing that;

                            Since I'm an Obama guy, I'd think that was a shame but for the possible lives at stake.

                            I think there a lot, lot lot LOT LOT more regular Americans sick to death of this war racket than there are people in the Beltway lecturing self-righteously about the "need" to "defend" Georgia. More agressive commentary from McCain will cost him votes.

                            But we'll see.

                            {"commentId":2459678,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #11.7 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2479664,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

                            Professor, professor. McCain was doing his rhetoric and in fact the Russians are still holding grounds in Georgia. McCain feels close to them and I think that it's the same case if the Palestinians take even a small portion of Israel, we will have many screaming and going to war.

                            The truth is that McCain did not lose votes, in the contrary w/the Q&A of the last night.

                            Still thinking that Obama is going to win?

                            I started having doubts. His "above my pay grade" was very rude. Is he going to treat each crisis like this?

                            {"commentId":2479664,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #11.8 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2481057,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

                            det:

                            Yeah, he sure does feel "close" thanks to that million-dollar lobbying contract for Georgia that McCain's top foreign policy guy has.

                            As for Obama, I've said all along that this is going to be a very close election in the end, but I think Obama is slightly favored.

                            {"commentId":2481057,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #11.9 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2483936,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}

                            Professor, don't discount the "pinching the nose" voters when in the moment of voting comes.

                            {"commentId":2483936,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #11.10 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2488336,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                            Jack and determined---I was very heartened indeed this weekend at a family outting where a dyed in the wool democrat (BIG Hillary supporter) called me over and told me he had a secret to tell me---that he had decided he will vote McCain as has his BIG Hillary supporter mother.....made my day. He said his decision was made with the big world tour by Obama and that he is not buying the slick marketing campaign without substance that is barack obama. I'm wondering if the Obama camp is beginning to second guess their big Invesco shin dig about now.....

                            {"commentId":2488336,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #11.11 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:40 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2488600,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

                            lisa:

                            Check back with your relative come November.

                            {"commentId":2488600,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #11.12 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2488695,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}

                            Jack---he has been VERY resistant to the idear of voting for McCain or any pub.....this was very big news and a very big decision for him to make. Could he change his mind? Maybe......but he was speaking very negatively about Obama and even though in our previous discussions he said he'd never vote McCain he never spoke negatively about him. Most of the people I know have been decided one way or the other for a long time so this guy in my own little sphere of influence is kinda an interesting test case.

                            {"commentId":2488695,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #11.13 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2488901,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

                            lisa:

                            Well, of course you're speaking personally and I'm speaking demographically. When a presidential election rolls around, almost everyone on both sides of the aisle "comes home" whatever wavering there had been.

                            A statistical generalization like that in a country this big of course can have thousands, even hundreds of thousands of specific exceptions without bumping the needle 1%. So I don't doubt your relative's sincerity.

                            It is also the case, statistically, that voters who have changed their minds once are much more likely to change them again.

                            {"commentId":2488901,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #11.14 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2489208,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
                            When a presidential election rolls around, almost everyone on both sides of the aisle "comes home" whatever wavering there had been.

                            Jack---I know this is typically true----but this is a great big ground breaking changing historical election---we'll see who comes home.....it's not exactly like you had 2 white guys vying for the dem nomination....but then again we're not sure how well mccain will bring out the base yet either and somehow even that seems to me to be more dependent upon obama than on mccain.

                            {"commentId":2489208,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #11.15 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2490127,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

                            lisa:

                            True dat. You know, one of secondary reasons I originally supported Biden was that a boring-white-guy versus boring-white-guy matchup would've overwhelmingly favored the Dems for all the usual structural and historical reasons.

                            But we can toss all that now. As I've been telling det, I have Obama rated a 51-49 favorite right now, but it won't take much to flip those numbers.

                            {"commentId":2490127,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #11.16 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2493232,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
                            But we can toss all that now. As I've been telling det, I have Obama rated a 51-49 favorite right now, but it won't take much to flip those numbers.

                            Professor, Obama can't discount the "Forward" generation, i.e. the very Seniors that learned how to use the Internet and forward whatever not supporting Obama.

                            {"commentId":2493232,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #11.17 - Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            {"commentId":2438107,"authorDomain":"StanBar"}

                            Why hasn't the media reported the Aug 5, 2008 report from the CFTC about the amount of Oil speculation on NYMEX or Sen. Maria Cantwell's letter to the CFTC on Aug 8th? The latest information provides a different view for why oil prices have fallen during the last few weeks. Strongly indicating speculation

                            More information on Sen. Cantwell's website

                            "Robert McCullough of McCullough Research, an energy market expert who exposed Enron's market manipulation, has released a new statistical analysis research report of oil futures and spot market prices that is a convincing and substantive rebuttal to the interagency interim report. This report shows that the dramatic rise in oil prices in June 2008, and the subsequent fall in price in July 2008, can't be explained by any of the fundamentals of supply and demand. Instead, it could be a result of the trading strategies of major market players."

                            Financial Week

                            UPDATE 1 Big CFTC data revision raises oil traders eyebrows - Reuters Aug 5, 2008

                            {"commentId":2438107,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"StanBar"}
                            • 8 votes
                            Reply#12 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2454981,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                            Great question Stan.

                            Do you have a link to that article?

                            {"commentId":2454981,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #12.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455258,"authorDomain":"lindacozby"}

                            I haven't read the article either, but that is my opinion from everything I've heard that we did have about 30.00 a barrel worth of speculation

                            {"commentId":2455258,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lindacozby"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #12.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455441,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                            So that would definitely contradict the idea that the speculations didn't play a part in the oil prices. Therefore, the price was not ONLY being driven by supply and demand. Many economists, Including Paul Krugmen of the NYT, was a proponent of the theory that is was all supply/demand.

                            I guess I'll google the article. Thanks for the lead,Stan.

                            {"commentId":2455441,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #12.3 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458734,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            I am VERY surprised there wasn't more focus in Congress on the speculation factor with oil prices. It seemed like a no-brainer issue for the Dem Congress and yet they didn't make a big deal out of it. Instead, they let themselves get cornered on the drilling issue. Big mistake in hindsight.

                            {"commentId":2458734,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                            • 5 votes
                            #12.4 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            {"commentId":2438174,"authorDomain":"StanBar"}

                            Why doesn't MSNBC focus on the lies in every one of McCain's attack ads? Last night one of Dan Abram's guest wanted to talk about it, but Dan wanted to focus on whether the ads were funny.

                            The "facts" about tax plans are extremely important issues for voters. Many are believing McCain's lies, which he repeats in every Town Hall Meeting.

                            Fact Check details the McCain lies about Obama's tax plan.

                            More Tax Deceptions August 8, 2008
                            Updated: August 12, 2008

                            McCain misrepresents Obama's tax proposals again. And again, and again.

                            McCain has been twisting tax facts about Obama as far back as June 10 ... These ads continue his long-running pattern of deception on taxes.

                            {"commentId":2438174,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"StanBar"}
                            • 14 votes
                            Reply#13 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458754,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            Most TV ads have lots of versions of the truth in this portion of the campaign, not just on the presidential level but on the senate and house levels as well. That said, I'd like us to spend more time each day doing TV ad fact-checking. We'll be doing more as the campaign wears on... (BTW, I hope folks are keeping track of all my coverage promises I've been making on these chats...)

                            {"commentId":2458754,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #13.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            {"commentId":2438299,"authorDomain":"aine"}

                            I believe it is imperative for the media to educate the citizenry about the issues and the candidates. I also think our two-party system has and continues to fail us due to corporate influence and lobbyists, yet no one seems to believe in the possibility of a third-party candidate.

                            What plans do you have to cover or give exposure to third-party candidates for president?

                            {"commentId":2438299,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"aine"}
                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#14 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2449137,"authorDomain":"hlpeterson-99"}

                            I agree the media needs to educate the citizenry about the issues and the candidates, but lets face it , neither Ralph Nader nor Bob Barr are really a possibility of making a difference this year. (with the possible exception of a state like Georgia maybe?) Why should the media take time and resources on these candidates? While I liked the pushing of the mainstream candidates and the comedic relief of Mike Gravel and Ron Paul during the early primaries, I don't really want to waste time (after Labor Day) when people are really paying attention to candidates who really won't make a difference in the outcome.

                            {"commentId":2449137,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"hlpeterson-99"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #14.1 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455006,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                            We need a Progressive Third Party. Badly.

                            Chuck, how viable do you think it is that a formidable third party (progressive or conservative)could emerge out of this election? Would it take an Obama Loss? A McCain loss? Is the electorate just not that into the idea?

                            {"commentId":2455006,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #14.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455314,"authorDomain":"lindacozby"}

                            I have always been up to the idea as a Independent, nobody seems to break thru, I am always looking for a 3rd choice without the partisan back and forth which will never end.

                            At least not in my lifetime.

                            {"commentId":2455314,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lindacozby"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #14.3 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2456952,"authorDomain":"aine"}
                            Why should the media take time and resources on these candidates?

                            Why not? If for no other reason than the fact that these candidates don't have the budget of their opponents to get their messages out in front of the American public. Why should money be the obstacle mainstream media has made it? Why is it that only the "bought and paid for" are seen as legitimate candidates? People want change, but the media serves up "more of the same" election after election... is it any wonder nothing ever changes?

                            {"commentId":2456952,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"aine"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #14.4 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458784,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            I think Obama, Ron Paul and McCain have proven that it doesn't take a lot of money or a lot of insider support to raise awareness and money for their campaigns. So if Nader and Barr can't figure out how to run an effective enough campaign to create a groundswell to the point where we in the so-called MSM have to spend more time covering them, then they don't deserve to be covered.

                            Now, as for whether there ever will be a viable third party, my gut is no. I think a very wealthy businessman could create a temporary vehicle for a third-party (see Perot, Bloomberg etc.) but our system of elections in all 50 states is designed around a 2-party system. I think if a viable third party ever arose, it would either be consumed by one of the two major parties or the third party would replace one of the current two partys (a la Republicans and Whigs).

                            {"commentId":2458784,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                            • 4 votes
                            #14.5 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458910,"authorDomain":"lindacozby"}

                            that's exactly what happens they are absorbed and become dems or reps very sad we should a authentic Independent Centrist Party no left no right some moderate people

                            {"commentId":2458910,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lindacozby"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #14.6 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            {"commentId":2438456,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

                            Chuck!

                            What's your take on Lieberman as a possible VP pick for McCain? In terms of campaign strategy, wouldn't it do a lot more harm than good? It seems to me that the Independents or undecideds that McCain MAY attract would be far outnumbered by the conservatives he has already alienated who may decide to stay home on Election Day.

                            Don't you think that every demographic in his base (fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, evangelicals, Republicans who tow the party line no matter what) will be furious with their "maverick" if he picks a Democrat? I mean, come on. Do you really think McCain is seriously considering Lieberman??

                            Thank you!

                            Taylor

                            P.S. If the GOP does want Lieberman, they can have him.

                            {"commentId":2438456,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}
                            • 9 votes
                            Reply#15 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458807,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            I think if McCain wants to relaunch his candidacy and persona, then he should choose Lieberman. As much as you and us insiders in the Beltway know that Lieberman's support for McCain is as much about anger toward the Dems over his '06 primary challenge as anything else, for the rank-n-file voter in Missouri or Wisconsin, it's going to look like McCain's reaching out big time by selecting the 2000 Dem VP nominee as his running mate. I think it can be a VERY powerful message to swing voters in swing states.

                            That said, Lieberman was a bad candidate in '00 as a running mate and he's not shown me much to indicate he'll be any better in 2008. He's a good Sunday show candidate but he's not good on the stump. The idea of Lieberman is good on paper, I'm not sure about it in practice.

                            {"commentId":2458807,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                            • 4 votes
                            #15.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458925,"authorDomain":"lindacozby"}

                            Do you really want to listen to McCain and Lieberman for 4 years, might as well sleep now two most boring speakers I've ever heard. And War War War

                            {"commentId":2458925,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lindacozby"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #15.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            {"commentId":2438571,"authorDomain":"RCFriedman"}

                            Chuck: who stands to benefit more from the Russia-Georgia conflict, McCain or Obama? Why?

                            {"commentId":2438571,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"RCFriedman"}
                            • 5 votes
                            Reply#16 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458847,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            Such a simple question and yet...

                            Well, I think on points, it benefits McCain because he's been crying foul about Putin for some time. He was calling for the booting of Putin and Russia from the G8 months ago... Now, it looks like it would have been the right call. But I think Obama didn't get hurt, per se, by this crisis. If anything, McCain's rhetoric has started to be toned down to something closer to what Obama said from the get-go. There's a chance this issue turns against McCain in that he seems to be too cozy with this Georgia president who strikes me as potentially a loose cannon. The guy seems more interested in appearing on TV than he does in getting his country through this crisis.

                            BTW, I think Putin did do one thing for Obama: eliminate Kaine and Sebelius from VP contention.

                            {"commentId":2458847,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #16.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458976,"authorDomain":"lindacozby"}

                            Since msnbc has been doing the games. this man talked on CNN and they couldn't shut him up, they tried and tried he went on and on. Isn't the lobbyist for Georgia working in the McCain camp.
                            Speaking to Cnn and repeats McCains words. I think that was overkill and maybe that's why McCain decided to change his song. It sounded like he was listening to the lobbyist for Georgia.

                            {"commentId":2458976,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lindacozby"}
                            • 1 vote
                            #16.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
                            Reply
                            {"commentId":2438622,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

                            Chuck!

                            I wasn't going to ask about Hillary Clinton since her campaign is over, but she apparently forgot to tell her former staffers that. Don't you think Howard Wolfson's comments this week about Hillary virtually being guaranteed a win in Iowa if Edwards wasn't in the race are completely out of line?

                            First of all, polls consistently show that Edwards supporters flocked to Obama after he dropped out (including myself and every Edwards supporter I've talked to.) Although Hillary herself has been very outspoken in her support of Obama, her surrogates and even Bill Clinton have given at best luke warm endorsements of their fellow Democrat. How completely stupid do you have to be to rain on the parade of a political party that has had VERY little to smile about during the last eight years? Does Wolfson really want to be that guy?

                            This whole thing is completely transparent. The Clinton campaign is bitter, bitter, bitter. I know they haven't had much experience with losing, but really, they should be better at it than this. In my opinion, they need quit whining before the Clinton brand is irreparably tarnished. What do you think?

                            It's so cool that you do this for us. I really feel in the loop. Thanks again.

                            Taylor

                            {"commentId":2438622,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}
                            • 11 votes
                            Reply#17 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2438748,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

                            The same tired rhetoric.

                            Chuck what will happen at the convention when those with dreams clash with those who have memories?

                            {"commentId":2438748,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jade-log"}
                            • 6 votes
                            #17.1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2438971,"authorDomain":"LenoreK"}

                            You're right about Wolfson's comments - check out Chuck's article:

                            {"commentId":2438971,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"LenoreK"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #17.2 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2439192,"authorDomain":"LenoreK"}

                            Don't know why this won't post the link but should be easy to find on the MSNBC Politics site; it's called "Revelations force Clinton campaign 'what ifs' - Rewriting her candidacy if John Edwards wasn't in the picture."

                            {"commentId":2439192,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"LenoreK"}
                            • 3 votes
                            #17.3 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2440192,"authorDomain":"mhbmeb"}

                            Hi Lenore (and Peyton),
                            Here's the link and it is a particularly excellent article. There's also a Newsvine chat on it, but I don't have that link handy.
                            Elaine

                            {"commentId":2440192,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"mhbmeb"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #17.4 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:57 AM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455056,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                            Hillary Clinton's former communications director Howard Wolfson was essentially right when he observed that by covering up his affair and staying in the 2008 race, Edwards cleared the field for Barack Obama. That's not a knock on Obama's historic candidacy, it's just the way things happened.

                            Wolfson's detractors cite a caucus night survey showing Obama was the second choice of 51% of Edwards caucusgoers, versus 32% for Clinton. But if Edwards had decided to quit before Iowa, where he had been practically living for the past few years, Clinton would never have considered writing the state off. It would have been harder for Obama to win the caucuses. As things turned out, Edwards finished second, edging out Clinton by a few tenths of a percentage point in a serious psychological blow to her campaign.

                            This is from the Huffington Post...You can see the entire article, in my column under "Thanks John Edwards." here:

                            http://jenn79.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/14/1748263-thank-you-john-edwards

                            {"commentId":2455056,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #17.5 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455096,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                            The Clinton campaign is bitter, bitter, bitter. I know they haven't had much experience with losing, but really, they should be better at it than this. In my opinion, they need quit whining before the Clinton brand is irreparably tarnished. What do you think?

                            I'm really growing bored with this type of rhetoric.

                            This isn't necessarily Clinton pushing this line of reasoning. Her supporters are too. Even if it's just a fraction of the 18 million (and believe me, it has grown bigger due to Obama's "refinements" and "nuances," her supporters are not happy with him. Clinton is not personally calling them and telling them to raise hell. They have their own thoughts and opinions. It's insulting to assume that Hillary is the puppeteer behind all of this.

                            {"commentId":2455096,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
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                            #17.6 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455429,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

                            jen-

                            I made a special point of saying that "Hillary herself has been very outspoken in her support of Obama." Show me where I accused her of masterminding this post-mortem whinefest. I never insulted Hillary. Try reading it again, but slowly this time.

                            Taylor

                            {"commentId":2455429,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}
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                            #17.7 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455464,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                            Classic Obama supporter retort: insult someone's intelligence. Period.

                            {"commentId":2455464,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
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                            #17.8 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455505,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                            Peyton-read where I say "this type of rhetoric."

                            I am not only addressing you, but others who claim that Clinton is the force behind all of this division. I thought that little excerpt above would make it clear to you that I had not only you in mind, but other Clinton bashers who brandish their lines :" Clinton lost! Get over it! She's a sore loser!" over and over again.

                            I'm sorry that you thought I was attacking you.

                            {"commentId":2455505,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
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                            #17.9 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2455701,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

                            jen,

                            I do not think I'm smarter than you. I don't even know you. You are being so hostile about things I never said. Clinton obviously ran a great campaign, but her strategy was flawed. Only one person can win the nomination. It's over now. I was disappointed when Edwards dropped out, but it's time for all of us to focus on the general. Let's not give McCain the satisfaction of seeing the Democratic Party at each other's throats less than three months before the election. Up with the people!

                            Taylor

                            {"commentId":2455701,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}
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                            #17.10 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458876,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            Here's my favorite way to answer "what if" questions in politics. What if my aunt had a *&^*, she'd be my uncle.

                            Bottom line: campaigns can always be war-gamed in hindsight. I think there's a better chance that if Edwards had been a non-factor in Iowa, Obama would have rolled to a bigger victory in Iowa and would have run the January table. By Nov. 1, 2007, he would have had just about every major union on his side as well as all that money etc... it could have been worse for Clinton had Edwards not split the early anti-Hillary vote in those early states.

                            {"commentId":2458876,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                            #17.11 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458948,"authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}

                            I feel totally vindicated. Every Howard Wolfson comment about Obama since June can be summed up in two words: sour grapes.

                            {"commentId":2458948,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"peytontaylor"}
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                            #17.12 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":2438699,"authorDomain":"tatro101"}

                            Do you think Arizona might actually be a little closer than some people think? There is a large population of Hispanics there, and they are going for Obama right now 65%-35%.

                            {"commentId":2438699,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"tatro101"}
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                            Reply#18 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2458883,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                            I completely believe Arizona will be a high single digit state... 54-46 maybe... It's simple demographics combined with the fact that McCain's popularity in the state has been SLOWLY eroding... Not enough for Obama to put the state in play... but enough for the next Democrat to run against a Republican NOT from Arizona to put the state in play.

                            {"commentId":2458883,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                            #18.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
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                            {"commentId":2438956,"authorDomain":"Linda-256462"}

                            Do you think the media influences voter opinion of candidates by providing false or twisted information?

                            Do you think the media influences the outcome of elections by providing their own biased opinion, such as repeating that Obama has no experience, even though he has more experience than several other Presidents, including top rated Presidents.

                            {"commentId":2438956,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"Linda-256462"}
                              Reply#19 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2439764,"authorDomain":"lele"}

                              I am wondering what is going on with the rest of the Republicans? Has their dissent from McCain been quashed? I keep waiting to hear of a sign of mutiny. [Even the Dems even had rumors about Hillary submitting her name at the convention.]

                              {"commentId":2439764,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"lele"}
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                              Reply#20 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:42 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2446801,"authorDomain":"hlpeterson-99"}

                              How much noise will there be from Ron Paul's supporters?

                              {"commentId":2446801,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"hlpeterson-99"}
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                              #20.1 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2458891,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                              I think Republicans are resigned to the fact that it's going to be a bad year; It's not a nomination many believe is worth having; I disagree; I think nominations are ALWAYS worth having.

                              {"commentId":2458891,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                              #20.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":2440093,"authorDomain":"gbixler"}

                              Chuck:

                              What will be the impact of Senator McWiki's plagiarism? Even those of us on the 'Vine refuse (generally) to use Wikipedia as a source, given its vast amount of misinformation. In that light, will it be particularly damaging for the "foreign policy" candidate to rely so heavily upon it in his Georgia/Russia speech? And, will the campaign have to back off their attacks on Obama for not adequately addressing the situation, given that their address was no more informed than any third-grader with a computer could find (and post) on Wikipedia?

                              Thanks, Chuck!

                              {"commentId":2440093,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"gbixler"}
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                              Reply#21 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:00 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2455120,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                              Gene-

                              Half the time the media is bashing Mccain for not making use of the internet. Now it's pissed off because the campaign is using wikipedia? It's actually his staff's fault for giving him that information, as McCain has said himself he doesn't use the internet.

                              Right?

                              We can't have it both ways. Either he uses it or he doesn't.

                              {"commentId":2455120,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
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                              #21.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2455481,"authorDomain":"gbixler"}

                              Jen,

                              Of course it's his staff's fault; he didn't write the speech. But my real point is this: If Obama, the "foreign policy lightweight" had lifted his Georgia speech from Wikipedia and then rightly blamed it on some junior staffer, what would the reaction be? I can guarantee you, endless loops of coverage "proving" how naive Obama is.

                              So why is it okay for the "foreign policy expert"'s staffers to do it?

                              {"commentId":2455481,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"gbixler"}
                              • 3 votes
                              #21.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2455534,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}

                              Gene-

                              Absolutely. And the media should take him to task for hiring foreign policy lightweights who have to research Georgia on wikipedia.

                              It's all about framing the question right, I think.

                              {"commentId":2455534,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
                              • 1 vote
                              #21.3 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2458900,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                              I thought this story was a bit unfair... Some facts looked similar to an online reference site? Look, I have my issues with Wikipedia; I think the whole premise of the tool will mean we'll have C- information... that said, what the campaign MAY have copied was some factual information; McCain didn't copy his position on Georgia from Wikipedia.

                              {"commentId":2458900,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                              #21.4 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":2441393,"authorDomain":"jcunningha"}

                              Chuck: What do you make of the political gridlock going on in Washington? Do you feel that the Senate and Congress realise that the American public has had just about enough of their buffoonery?
                              The Dems are no better than the GOP, time for a third party?

                              {"commentId":2441393,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"jcunningha"}
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                              Reply#22 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2458913,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                              I think we'll find out in the first six months of the new administration. If substantial legislation isn't passed in the first six months of '09 then both parties could find themselves in big trouble.

                              {"commentId":2458913,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                              #22.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":2441443,"authorDomain":"rodneyhopper"}

                              From yesterday's 'Motorcycle' First Read article.

                              "Hard to tell the truthfulness."

                              Previous article titles:

                              Ohio Ad: Is it Fair?
                              Is the Exxon-McCain Hit Fair?

                              Come on, Domenico's just a little biased, right? It took the rest of us two seconds to find the quotes and votes associated with the motorcycle ad. His title is 'Political Researcher', right? Also, we never see a headline in First Read that asks if the hits on Obama are fair until FactCheck dispels the myths. We got two McCain 'is it fair' in two days. I guess my question is, yes, is Domenico right leaning?

                              But as the Center for Responsive Politics pointed out last week, while McCain has received nearly three times the amount of money from the oil and gas industry that Obama has, Obama actually has received more contributions from Exxon than his GOP rival has.

                              Don't you guys have the responsibility to qualify this remark as employees of Exxon? I mean any person that donates to a campaign has to list their employer. I would hardly say that my contributions to Obama can in any way be attributed to an endorsement by Warren Buffett. I know you had broken it down in a previous post, but to make a blanket statement like that deserves at least some qualification.

                              That being said, First Read is the best of the major news tickers.

                              {"commentId":2441443,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"rodneyhopper"}
                              • 10 votes
                              Reply#23 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2447173,"authorDomain":"tatro101"}

                              Very good point. I asked the same thing on FR. It seems to be a clear double standard, since not one time have they asked if one of McCain's lie filled ads were fair. I also agree that FR is still the best ticker.

                              {"commentId":2447173,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"tatro101"}
                              • 3 votes
                              #23.1 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":2458934,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                              Domenico is one of the toughest fact-checkers I've ever worked with; I think if you judge his work over time, you'll see that....

                              We have a blast with First Read and we really only get it done with just a few of us; the good news is that we'll adding a new face very soon.

                              {"commentId":2458934,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                              #23.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":2441583,"authorDomain":"olderisbetter"}

                              Abraham Lincoln had only one term as a House of Rep member before being elected president. Why isn't that fact presented more when Obama's lack of experience is brought up?

                              {"commentId":2441583,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"olderisbetter"}
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                              Reply#24 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:43 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2458940,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                              That fact is brought up a lot. And there's no comparison Obama loves more than good 'ol Abe

                              {"commentId":2458940,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                              #24.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":2441603,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

                              Recently, McCain joked that if he was elected, the first thing he would do is call Tom Ridge from his "well-deserved vacation". Many took this to mean that McCain was not going to pick Ridge as his VP. What say you? You've been saying Ridge as a potential for a long time.

                              {"commentId":2441603,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"onlineapps"}
                              • 7 votes
                              Reply#25 - Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
                              {"commentId":2458947,"authorDomain":"chucktodd"}

                              And then the VERY next day, he does an interview with the Weekly Standard making the case for Ridge as VP... go figure.

                              I think, though, that if McCain goes pro-choice, he'll go Lieberman.

                              {"commentId":2458947,"threadId":"330740","contentId":"1743082","authorDomain":"chucktodd"}
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                              #25.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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